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First draft Intro to Clip Writing Tutorial #introclipwritingtutorial


joy8388608
 

I wore out my little fingers creating a basic introduction and sales brochure so we can lure\entice\encourage new people into the wonderful world of NoteTab clips. It's basic but it's supposed to be. I wish it were available to me when I first started.

I uploaded the file. The name is NoteTab Intro to Clip Writing.txt

I'm sure you will all have comments. :)

Update on outlines. After I noticed NT Light could open outline files, I found it could not edit them. They are locked as read only.

I have a clip which can convert an outline document to a normal text doc and another that can gather the topics and move them all to hyperlinks at the top of the document. This, of course, can be edited normally by anyone. I'm sticking to the outline file for now. Again, it is NOT a good idea for anyone to modify their personal copies because any updated versions will NOT have their notes.

Joy


WV- Mike
 

On 12/17/2019 6:49 PM, joy8388608 via Groups.Io wrote:


I wore out my little fingers creating a basic introduction and sales
brochure so we...
No kidding!
Thanks for your efforts.
WV-Mike

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Mike Breiding
www.EpicRoadTrips.us ( http://www.EpicRoadTrips.us )


James McBride
 

This looks very helpful so far (I havent gotten through it all yet)

Thanks much for your efforts :)


John Shotsky
 

There is a more important difference between Pro and Std/free - the input parser is different. SOME clips won't work except with Pro - I have had all my users switch to pro so they don't run into that problem. The input parser is how the program gets characters into the stream. Clips sometimes depend on that difference. I would not have any idea how to work around that.
Regards,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Clips@Notetab.groups.io <Clips@Notetab.groups.io> On Behalf Of joy8388608 via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 5:49 PM
To: Clips@Notetab.groups.io
Subject: [NTB-Clps] First draft Intro to Clip Writing Tutorial #IntroClipWritingTutorial

I wore out my little fingers creating a basic introduction and sales brochure so we can lure\entice\encourage new people into the wonderful world of NoteTab clips. It's basic but it's supposed to be. I wish it were available to me when I first started.

I uploaded the file. The name is NoteTab Intro to Clip Writing.txt

I'm sure you will all have comments. :)

Update on outlines. After I noticed NT Light could open outline files, I found it could not edit them. They are locked as read only.

I have a clip which can convert an outline document to a normal text doc and another that can gather the topics and move them all to hyperlinks at the top of the document. This, of course, can be edited normally by anyone. I'm sticking to the outline file for now. Again, it is NOT a good idea for anyone to modify their personal copies because any updated versions will NOT have their notes.

Joy


joy8388608
 

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 01:00 PM, John Shotsky wrote:
There is a more important difference between Pro and Std/free - the input parser is different. SOME clips won't work except with Pro
Interesting. I'm not sure what you're referring to. Is it possible you start a new topic and provide an example or two?

Joy


John Shotsky
 

I would have to search for that. I will, but I'm pretty busy on something else right now.
Regards,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Clips@Notetab.groups.io <Clips@Notetab.groups.io> On Behalf Of joy8388608 via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 1:49 PM
To: Clips@Notetab.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NTB-Clps] First draft Intro to Clip Writing Tutorial #IntroClipWritingTutorial

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 01:00 PM, John Shotsky wrote:
There is a more important difference between Pro and Std/free - the input parser is different. SOME clips won't work except with Pro
Interesting. I'm not sure what you're referring to. Is it possible you start a new topic and provide an example or two?

Joy


joy8388608
 

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 02:32 PM, John Shotsky wrote:
I would have to search for that. I will, but I'm pretty busy on something else right now.
That's fine. I understand. Between this and helping MalwareBytes trying to figure out a problem, I'm running low on time, also.

Question for everyone... I uploaded a new (second) version of the Clips Tutorial with a HUGE update in the Subroutine topic. I'm sure I checked "Notify Members" but I'm not sure a notice went out. Did it? I deleted the original file and uploaded the new version with the same name. If I did everything correctly, I wonder if something unexpected happened. Or didn't happen..

Thanks
Joy


joy8388608
 

And I'm still getting the waiting for approval from Moderators messages when posting.
Joy


Ray Shapp
 

Hi Joy,

<< Question for everyone... I uploaded a new (second) version of the Clips
Tutorial with a HUGE update in the Subroutine topic. I'm sure I checked
"Notify Members" but I'm not sure a notice went out. Did it?>>
I got notification of the update and your message about it about 40 minutes
ago. Both came in at just about the same time.

Thanks for your hard work.

Ray Shapp
---


On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 10:16 PM joy8388608 via Groups.Io <mycroftj=
yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 02:32 PM, John Shotsky wrote:
I would have to search for that. I will, but I'm pretty busy on
something else right now.

That's fine. I understand. Between this and helping MalwareBytes trying to
figure out a problem, I'm running low on time, also.

Question for everyone... I uploaded a new (second) version of the Clips
Tutorial with a HUGE update in the Subroutine topic. I'm sure I checked
"Notify Members" but I'm not sure a notice went out. Did it? I deleted the
original file and uploaded the new version with the same name. If I did
everything correctly, I wonder if something unexpected happened. Or didn't
happen..

Thanks
Joy




John Shotsky
 

I did not get a notification - this is the first I knew of it.
Regards,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Clips@Notetab.groups.io <Clips@Notetab.groups.io> On Behalf Of joy8388608 via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 2:31 PM
To: Clips@Notetab.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NTB-Clps] First draft Intro to Clip Writing Tutorial #IntroClipWritingTutorial

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 02:32 PM, John Shotsky wrote:
I would have to search for that. I will, but I'm pretty busy on something else right now.
That's fine. I understand. Between this and helping MalwareBytes trying to figure out a problem, I'm running low on time, also.

Question for everyone... I uploaded a new (second) version of the Clips Tutorial with a HUGE update in the Subroutine topic. I'm sure I checked "Notify Members" but I'm not sure a notice went out. Did it? I deleted the original file and uploaded the new version with the same name. If I did everything correctly, I wonder if something unexpected happened. Or didn't happen..

Thanks
Joy


Peter Hulm
 

A notification came through to me. Thanks.

On 21 Dec 2019, at 05:01, John Shotsky <jshotsky@comcast.net> wrote:

I did not get a notification - this is the first I knew of it.
Regards,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Clips@Notetab.groups.io <Clips@Notetab.groups.io> On Behalf Of joy8388608 via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 2:31 PM
To: Clips@Notetab.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NTB-Clps] First draft Intro to Clip Writing Tutorial #IntroClipWritingTutorial

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 02:32 PM, John Shotsky wrote:
I would have to search for that. I will, but I'm pretty busy on something else right now.
That's fine. I understand. Between this and helping MalwareBytes trying to figure out a problem, I'm running low on time, also.

Question for everyone... I uploaded a new (second) version of the Clips Tutorial with a HUGE update in the Subroutine topic. I'm sure I checked "Notify Members" but I'm not sure a notice went out. Did it? I deleted the original file and uploaded the new version with the same name. If I did everything correctly, I wonder if something unexpected happened. Or didn't happen..

Thanks
Joy






Art Kocsis
 

On 12-18-2019 13:00, John Shotsky wrote:
There is a more important difference between Pro and Std/free - the input parser is different. SOME clips won't work except with Pro - I have had all my users switch to pro so they don't run into that problem. The input parser is how the program gets characters into the stream. Clips sometimes depend on that difference. I would not have any idea how to work around that.
Not only the parser but the basic input control! Pro does not support proportional fonts among other things. NTB is the only program I have ever heard of that the Pro version is not a superset of the standard version.

There are two commands that return the version and variant of the current Notetab exe:
^$GetProgName$ Returns the full name of the NoteTab variant, e.g., "Notetab Std"
^$GetProgVersion$ Returns the current version number.

Not sure what feature(s) in Pro that you are referring to but the typical work around is to test for the current version and code within the capabilities of that environment.

Art


Art Kocsis
 

On 12-20-2019 14:30, joy8388608 via Groups.Io wrote:
Question for everyone... I uploaded a new (second) version of the Clips Tutorial with a HUGE update in the Subroutine topic. I'm sure I checked "Notify Members" but I'm not sure a notice went out. Did it? I deleted the original file and uploaded the new version with the same name. If I did everything correctly, I wonder if something unexpected happened. Or didn't happen..
Ooh. I really wish you hadn't done that. We really need version identification on file uploads. Publishing different versions under identical names will just lead to chaos. I strongly urge you to rename your upload to include (at least) first & second level version numbers. Even if there is only one file version displayed it needs a version ID.

Art


Art Kocsis
 

On 12-17-2019 17:49, joy8388608 via Groups.Io wrote:
Update on outlines. After I noticed NT Light could open outline files, I found it could not edit them. They are locked as read only.
What happens if you unlock them ( Menu / Document / Read Only)?

Is it hardwired into NTB or just an initial doc setting?

If it is the latter I have a clip that will create and open an OTL file ready for editing.

Art


Art Kocsis
 

On 12-20-2019 14:31, joy8388608 via Groups.Io wrote:
And I'm still getting the waiting for approval from Moderators messages when posting.
For some reason, some topics in the Clips group keep getting reset to moderation required. I have gone through the list three times this week and unmoderated all topics but the gremlins keep thumbing their noses at me and changing the settings.

I didn't notice your post until about an hour ago so it got delayed. All posts by all members should be unmoderated and you should see the return posting within seconds. If not, something has gone wrong. This group has got to operate autonomously.

I do not want to be required to constantly monitor the lists for moderation nor would I expect anyone else to. GIO works well when it works but their management tools and user interface needs a lot of work,

Art


John Shotsky
 

I have version control on my clip libraries - to the clip name I simply append
the date, as in 'name-20191221.clb'. Users can immediately tell when something
is updated. Of course, I use OneDrive to share them, which means when I update
them, they appear on my user's computers automatically, if they have chosen to
sync the folder. The versions also sort nicely...
Regards,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Clips@Notetab.groups.io <Clips@Notetab.groups.io> On Behalf Of Art Kocsis
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 10:26 PM
To: Clips@Notetab.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NTB-Clps] First draft Intro to Clip Writing Tutorial
#IntroClipWritingTutorial

On 12-20-2019 14:30, joy8388608 via Groups.Io wrote:
Question for everyone... I uploaded a new (second) version of the Clips
Tutorial with a HUGE update in the Subroutine topic. I'm sure I checked
"Notify Members" but I'm not sure a notice went out. Did it? I deleted
the original file and uploaded the new version with the same name. If I
did everything correctly, I wonder if something unexpected happened. Or
didn't happen..
Ooh. I really wish you hadn't done that. We really need version identification
on file uploads. Publishing different versions under identical names will just
lead to chaos. I strongly urge you to rename your upload to include (at least)
first & second level version numbers. Even if there is only one file version
displayed it needs a version ID.

Art


John Shotsky
 

I've had my own GIO groups for about 2 years now. I don't have any message
distribution issues in my groups, but I have noticed problems with this group -
some messages never get sent. There must be something, somewhere, that is
blocking, because when I log into the group, I see messages I never received,
even ones where I started the topic. I started one topic, got one response, then
logged in and saw there were 7 responses - 6 of which I never received, ever.
Not suggesting that anyone is doing something wrong, just that there seems to be
some kind of hang up with this group.
Regards,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Clips@Notetab.groups.io <Clips@Notetab.groups.io> On Behalf Of Art Kocsis
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 10:36 PM
To: Clips@Notetab.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NTB-Clps] First draft Intro to Clip Writing Tutorial
#IntroClipWritingTutorial

On 12-20-2019 14:31, joy8388608 via Groups.Io wrote:
And I'm still getting the waiting for approval from Moderators messages
when posting.
For some reason, some topics in the Clips group keep getting reset to moderation
required. I have gone through the list three times this week and unmoderated all
topics but the gremlins keep thumbing their noses at me and changing the
settings.

I didn't notice your post until about an hour ago so it got delayed.
All posts by all members should be unmoderated and you should see the return
posting within seconds. If not, something has gone wrong. This group has got to
operate autonomously.

I do not want to be required to constantly monitor the lists for moderation nor
would I expect anyone else to. GIO works well when it works but their management
tools and user interface needs a lot of work,

Art


joy8388608
 

Although NT light can open and use an outline normally, it is locked read-only. Really locked. You cannot uncheck the read-only setting.

As I stated, my Clips to convert it into a regular document worked fine but there is no need since it is meant to be in outline form and should not be edited anyway.

See my additional comments in my reply to the version issue message.

Joy


joy8388608
 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:36 PM, Art Kocsis wrote:
Ooh. I really wish you hadn't done that. We really need version identification on file uploads. Publishing different versions under identical names will just lead to chaos
While I fully agree with you for most uploads, I have given this a lot of thought and do not agree. I am careful to update the changelog at the top of the document. I also note dates and changes in the file comment section when uploading (replacing) so it is easy to tell when the file was last updated by looking at the list of files. The file itself should not be changed after being downloaded. It is up to the users to periodically check the file section to see if there is a later version. (It would help if the file upload notification starts working properly.) They would have to periodically look for new versions anyway even if we did have multiple versions of the same document. I see no need to keep older drafts.

Joy


Thomas Gruber
 

Hi Joy,
I received the upload notification for this file earlier today. Thanks for the updates and additions!
Thomas

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Am 21.12.2019 um 14:42 schrieb joy8388608 via Groups.Io <mycroftj=yahoo.com@groups.io>:

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:36 PM, Art Kocsis wrote:
Ooh. I really wish you hadn't done that. We really need version identification on file uploads. Publishing different versions under identical names will just lead to chaos
While I fully agree with you for most uploads, I have given this a lot of thought and do not agree. I am careful to update the changelog at the top of the document. I also note dates and changes in the file comment section when uploading (replacing) so it is easy to tell when the file was last updated by looking at the list of files. The file itself should not be changed after being downloaded. It is up to the users to periodically check the file section to see if there is a later version. (It would help if the file upload notification starts working properly.) They would have to periodically look for new versions anyway even if we did have multiple versions of the same document. I see no need to keep older drafts.

Joy